Archive-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:19:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:09:49 -0600 From: Bob Blum Reply-To: Info-TCPware@process.com Subject: Re: IP stack for old VAX In-Reply-To: <5327a2e34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> To: info-multinet@process.com CC: info-tcpware@process.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="0__=09BBFA78DFED038B8f9e8a93df938690918c09BBFA78DFED038B" --0__=09BBFA78DFED038B8f9e8a93df938690918c09BBFA78DFED038B Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My apologies if my reply is somewhat redundant, I did not receive the original posting, so I don't know what else I may have missed. I know that TCPware used to support VMS 4.7, I used it back then. The current version says it will work with VMS 5.5-2 or newer, if I recall.= An old copy of TCPware might work, likewise an old copy of MultiNet or UCX= . Does the system have a CD-ROM drive of any kind, or a tape drive? You should not need DECnet running at all, although the reference to DM= F-0 makes me think of serial DECnet. If it's a VAX 11/785, it is probably using a DEUNA two-card ethernet controller, or possibly a single card one. Those tended to prefer havi= ng "heartbeat" ("SQE") enabled on the transceiver. Remember that if you e= nd up using a 10Base-T transceiver to connect it to a modern switch or hub= . Good luck! Bob Blum This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confident= ial and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the= intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copyin= g, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any= reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destro= y the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format= . Alan Adams wrote on 01/03/2006= 04:16:07 PM: > In message > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote= : > > > > > VAX/VMS 4.7, VAX 11/785 > > > > To keep this system running for at least short time, I'm probabl= y > > going to have to put an IP stack on it. It has a DMF-11 with a > > synchronous serial connector and an AUI style ethernet (there ar= e a > > total of 16 asynch lines, but I don't want to use SLIP). > > > > The ethernet had been used for DECnet in the past. I plan to re= move > > (or at least disable) the DECnet stack since no one around here = will > > route DECnet, and it's not required. > > > > OS update is not an option for several months, we'll be looking = to > > move to a more recent VAX by then. Supported configuration is n= ot a > > requirement. > > > > Performance is an issue in that it must not interfere with exist= ing > > real-time processes (which have been getting along fine with DEC= net > > running). > > > > What are my options for an IP stack on this system? Will Multin= et > > run over this ethernet interface? CMU-IP? If CMU-IP, will I ne= ed a > > C compiler? > > I don't know about third-party stacks, but the appropriate version of= UCX > will run fine. I seem to recall that Multinet was around when we had = VMS 3.7 > and VAX so by 4.7 that should also be fine. You would need to get the= > appropriate versions of course, which might be tricky. The other name= from > that era was Wollongong. > > > > > And what device name is that ethernet showing up as (it's circui= t > > DMF-0 in NCP)? > > > > -- > Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/= --0__=09BBFA78DFED038B8f9e8a93df938690918c09BBFA78DFED038B Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

My apologies if my reply is somewhat redundant, I did not receive th= e original posting, so I don't know what else I may have missed.

I know that TCPware used to support VMS 4.7, I used it back then. The = current version says it will work with VMS 5.5-2 or newer, if I recall.= An old copy of TCPware might work, likewise an old copy of MultiNet o= r UCX.

Does the system have a CD-ROM drive of any kind, or a tape drive?

You should not need DECnet running at all, although the reference to DM= F-0 makes me think of serial DECnet.

If it's a VAX 11/785, it is probably using a DEUNA two-card ethernet co= ntroller, or possibly a single card one. Those tended to prefer having= "heartbeat" ("SQE") enabled on the transceiver. R= emember that if you end up using a 10Base-T transceiver to connect it t= o a modern switch or hub.

Good luck!

Bob Blum

This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confident= ial and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not= the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, c= opying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (inclu= ding any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received thi= s transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and dest= roy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy fo= rmat.

Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote on = 01/03/2006 04:16:07 PM: > In message <pRVUMC5V+Q$j@eisner.encompasserve.org> > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompass= erve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > > > > > VAX/VMS 4.7, VAX 11/785 > > > > To keep this system running for at least short t= ime, I'm probably > > going to have to put an IP stack on it. It= has a DMF-11 with a > > synchronous serial connector and an AUI style et= hernet (there are a > > total of 16 asynch lines, but I don't want to us= e SLIP). > > > > The ethernet had been used for DECnet in the pas= t. I plan to remove > > (or at least disable) the DECnet stack since no = one around here will > > route DECnet, and it's not required. > > > > OS update is not an option for several months, w= e'll be looking to > > move to a more recent VAX by then. Support= ed configuration is not a > > requirement. > > > > Performance is an issue in that it must not inte= rfere with existing > > real-time processes (which have been getting alo= ng fine with DECnet > > running). > > > > What are my options for an IP stack on this syst= em? Will Multinet > > run over this ethernet interface? CMU-IP? = If CMU-IP, will I need a > > C compiler? > > I don't know about third-party stacks, but the appropriate version= of UCX > will run fine. I seem to recall that Multinet was around when we h= ad VMS 3.7 > and VAX so by 4.7 that should also be fine. You would need to get = the > appropriate versions of course, which might be tricky. The other n= ame from > that era was Wollongong. > > > > > And what device name is that ethernet showing up= as (it's circuit > > DMF-0 in NCP)? > > > > -- > Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/= --0__=09BBFA78DFED038B8f9e8a93df938690918c09BBFA78DFED038B--